Episode 38 — The Cabal Question: Trump, Israel, and the Psyop Playbook w. Dr. Rectenwald

The Backlash-ep38-The Cabal Question, Trump, Israel, And, The Psyop Playbook, w Dr. Rectenwald Rectenwald Hargraves [ 00:02:31 ] Welcome to The Backlash. You can find us on X at Real Backlash. Our website is thebacklash. net. Support us on Subscribestar, Patreon, somehow we haven't been banned from. I get a lot of flak for us being on Patreon. Why? Reilly [ 00:02:44 ] Why would you get flak for us being on Patreon? Hargraves [ 00:02:46 ] Because they're such bastards. Like, they were banning everybody. I got banned on Patreon. Reilly [ 00:02:52 ] You see, I can tell that you've been out of this for too long because you forgot to say this is the show where we talk about the Western world and I'm your host, Rebecca Hargraves. Hargraves [ 00:03:00 ] I don't do that on our interview series. Reilly [ 00:03:03 ] Oh, you don't? Hargraves [ 00:03:03 ] I don't. But I am Rebecca Hargraves. I had a whole thing. Okay. Send us Super Chats. They will be read live at the end of our show at TheBacklash. net slash Super Chat. Reilly [ 00:03:15 ] We do have a new option, by the way. This green one down here, Crypto Super Chat. Hargraves [ 00:03:20 ] How long did we make it before we started talking about crypto? Reilly [ 00:03:22 ] Like five seconds. So we got banned from, what was it called? Streamlabs. I believe Streamlabs banned us. We don't have our page anymore. But what we're doing is it's a BTC pay server. You can go in, send your comment. You can even choose down here in the lower right-hand corner which guest. You want the question directed to, if you want it directed to Vince, Rebecca, me, or the person joining us. So check out that option if you are a Bitcoiner. Hargraves [ 00:03:54 ] So someone built this. Reilly [ 00:03:55 ] Yeah, I had a developer come in and help build this thing. We'll see how it goes. We're going to add some more payment options as well. 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Hargraves [ 00:04:59 ] Oh, yeah. Oof. Yeah, it was just like. Just seeing all these dysgenic people, I'm like, you shouldn't exist. You shouldn’t exist. Like your soul is valuable or whatever, but like you shouldn’t exist. Should we do Antelope Hill before we introduce our esteemed guest? Reilly [ 00:05:16 ] We should thank our sponsors, Antelope Hill Publishing, America's leading publisher of dissident books. They have a wide array of both original works and new first-time translations of important historical titles. Their catalog focuses on bringing you books that the mainstream publishers won't touch, books that challenge the ruling orthodoxy on history, politics, and the twisted nature of the system that we live under. Among our titles are The Open Society Playbook, a deep dive into the web of NGOs and shadowy government funding that has recently come under fire in the USAID scandal for spreading left-wing ideological corruption at home and abroad. 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Michael, distinguished fellow at Hillsdale College and professor of liberal studies and global liberal studies at NYU. He taught at Duke, North Carolina Central University, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western, holds a PhD in literary and cultural studies from Carnegie Mellon, a master's in English literature from Case Western, and a BA in English literature from University of Pittsburgh. That is just a sterling, just like amazing academic career. Yes. He's appeared on major network political talk shows like Tucker Carlson, Fox & Friends, The Glenn Beck Show, and now he's here. You know, we are just as important as all of these people. We're more important than all of these people because we're not liars, right? Reilly [ 00:07:30 ] It's funny. Actually, after last week's show, we did a whole thing while you were gone about how Boise has gone gay. And the very next day, what was Matt Walsh's episode? Oh, yeah. It was all about how Boise was gay. Hargraves [ 00:07:41 ] Matt Walsh, we're watching you. Reilly [ 00:07:41 ] Yeah, we know. We know you watch us, Matt. It's okay. You can come on anytime you want. We won't bite. We won't bite. Hargraves [ 00:07:47 ] Follow Dr. Recktenwald's excellent Twitter. At REC, the regime, R-E-C, the regime. Reilly [ 00:07:54 ] Where is it? Hold on. I had it pulled up. Hargraves [ 00:07:56 ] Nice going. Come on. You know, everything that I said that was nice about you before. Reilly [ 00:08:01 ] Here's this. We've got his website, MichaelRechtenwald. com. He's got a great sub stack. You can get his book on Amazon. It's only $19. 99 in paperback, unless there's a better way for people to buy it. Hargraves [ 00:08:15 ] We've been talking for a long time. Welcome. Reilly [ 00:08:16 ] Welcome to the show. Hargraves [ 00:08:18 ] Welcome to the show. Rectenwald [ 00:08:18 ] Thanks for having me. It's good to be here. Hargraves [ 00:08:20 ] Thank you. Wow. Where do we even start? So I guess, so I've been reading about you and listening to your content and your political genesis has been very interesting. So I read your Wikipedia, although I know I shouldn't, but I like to see like a starting point. Like what do people think about this person? Right. And so they were like lifetime Marxist. Lifetime Marxist. Is this true? Is this an accurate characterization of your pre-libertarian political orientation? Rectenwald [ 00:08:51 ] Yeah, I would say I was a Marxist for probably 15, 20 years prior to a complete gestalt shift politically. So yeah, I was, but you know, I was never like a activist. It was more like a theorist, you know. And writer in Marxist literature. I've probably written more Marxist texts than most Marxists have read. And I've read the whole Marx, you know, a massive oeuvre of Marxist work. And so, yeah, I was deeply immersed in that. You might say indoctrinated, but not entirely indoctrinated. I literally you know, was a Marxist theorist as well as just a Marxist. Yeah. Hargraves [ 00:09:47 ] Do you think that being so deeply ingrained in academia allowed you to stay in this mindset or even force you into this mindset? Rectenwald [ 00:09:59 ] Oh, totally. First of all, like when I went back to graduate school, I was a little bit older than most. I was 33. And I had been in advertising for like nine years. And I went back to grad school. And in the interim between my BA and the MA that I started at Case Western, the whole field had shifted. All I wanted to do was to become a literature professor. But what happened was, I got introduced to all this Marxist and feminist and postmodernist and psychoanalytic theory. And they just rammed this theory down your throat. So, I had to pick one of them. And I picked Marxism because it seemed to be the hardest core. Plus, I didn't have an identity that would suit the other ones, like queer theory and things like that. I couldn't pretend to be gay or queer. And I wasn't a woman. And I couldn't really, at that point, you know, it wasn’t so easy to pretend to be one. So, I picked up Marxism because it was the easiest. And I also had like a working-class background. You know, I grew up in a working-class family. And so Marxism seemed to be the right fit for the job. Hargraves [ 00:11:20 ] Right, right. And there was pressure to get published. You had to conform to these ideals, I'm sure. Rectenwald [ 00:11:26 ] I mean, my publishing in academia wasn't centered on Marxism. I did this as an avocation. My academic work was in 19th century British science and culture. So I did it like a history of science dissertation. And I published widely in history of science publications, journals, but also I had several books coming out in that field. And also taught like academic writing. So I had a textbook on that. You know, I did a lot of different things, but I wasn't really like a professional Marxist. It wasn't something I taught in the classroom. Right. It was just something I did on the side. Hargraves [ 00:12:15 ] So when you look at your Twitter now, I think that people might find it hard to believe that this is where you came from. When you look at your Twitter, you were just carpet bombing JQ stuff. Absolutely. Can you talk? Sorry, go ahead. Rectenwald [ 00:12:31 ] You'll see that my Twitter is currently private because I'm actually up for an academic job right now. And so I need to keep those people out of there. And I won't name who they are. But right now, I can't have them seeing some of these things. Hargraves [ 00:12:51 ] What are you doing here? Why are you on this show right now? This might be a disastrous professional decision. It's okay. Rectenwald [ 00:13:00 ] No offense to you. It's not like going on Fox News and talking about the JQ. Hargraves [ 00:13:09 ] That is 100% true. We're very under-viewed. Rectenwald [ 00:13:14 ] I'm not saying you're small. I'm just saying. We are small. There's a lot of niches out there, and I don't think that anybody there will stumble upon it. Hargraves [ 00:13:22 ] Right, right. So how did you get into this? I think that we talk to a lot, we interview a lot of people, and it seems like people that are coming from different backgrounds, they all are truth seekers, and then they find one piece of information, and they're like, hmm. How about that? And then they just start doing research and they're like, wow, I had no idea. And it kind of unravels your whole worldview, ironically, in kind of the same way that postmodernism does as well. We get some horseshoe theory on the dissident right. But can you talk a little bit about how that happened to you and how you came to these conclusions? Rectenwald [ 00:14:01 ] It started out whenever I. When I came out against the woke mob at NYU and they came back at me like a ton of bricks. It wasn't just, it wasn't the students at all. It was the administration. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the administration came down on me hard. The faculty, some of the faculty did. That's who started it. But the administration really was on the side of woke people, so I realized I had touched the third rail. Now I didn't know exactly what it was yet, but I knew I hit it because they came down on me on like a ton of bricks, tried to destroy my academic career, pushed me out of the uh, pushed me into a leave of absence, uh, involuntarily really, and Wikipedia lies about this, uh, they just make up stuff, uh, and uh. So suddenly I went from a far leftist to a really alt-right thinking person within two months. And then I started doing deep dives into the history of Marxist regimes. I mean, I had heard about the 'mil' you know, the totalitarian nature of uh Stalinism and of course I knew all about that and I thought it was just wrong, they did it the wrong way. I was more, I was left of the Bolsheviks as I like to say because I believe that you can have a stateless communist society, so I've always been anti-state, uh but it you know, and then I realized that that's not possible, in fact, you can't have a stateless communist society, the state will only get more penetrating, will get more oppressive and necessarily will become totalitarian, uh. It took me, you know, about five minutes to figure that out after when these woke people came at me all of a sudden I realized that they were trying to shut down my free speech, They wanted to silence me because I was saying things that weren't allowed to be said. And I knew this was going to happen because I was standing in New York. Actually, I was in a hotel because I used to stay in a hotel instead of in an apartment for a while. I'd stay in a hotel and then commute out of New York. But I was standing in the hall of the hotel and I said, if I say the things that are on my mind as a New York university professor, all hell will break loose. And then I decided to do it. Reilly [ 00:16:53 ] What year was this that this transformation took place? Rectenwald [ 00:16:58 ] This was 2016. Just as Trump was being, you know, just as the election between Hillary Clinton and Trump was going on. So the whole left was going insane. There was this, you know, the beginning of this Trump derangement syndrome. And they were. like anything that even resembled slightly something that Trump would say, like about political correctness, for example, they just deemed me a Nazi and a fascist. So I was called all these things even before I became one. Reilly [ 00:17:34 ] Do you think that being called those things actually helps push you in that direction? Because I've talked to some boomer people, that have like, you know, gone out door knocking and they're like, oh, well, you're not like a fascist, are you? And you hear that, you know, you hear that enough and you start to think to yourself, because I had one actually come up to me. They were like, I know you're the guy to ask about this, Dave. Can you tell me what fascism actually is? Well, because. I'm starting to think that these people are so afraid of fascism that maybe that's what we need to be. I'm like, let me get you some literature on this, buddy. Rectenwald [ 00:18:10 ] Yeah, I'm not a fascist. I should make that clear. I am a Hoppian. That's after Juan Termini Hoppe, an anarcho-capitalist. And I believe in private property societies that can exclude whoever the hell they want. And I think that's the only way we're going to regenerate society is by forming private property covenant communities, which is actually in my book. That's the kind of solution that the main character comes up with. And they call it Covenant Rising because the property that they choose is like on a rise hill, a slight incline. I think that we need to have private property enclaves that completely resist the central government altogether and refuse their whole regime. And that would be through the nullification of laws that are unconstitutional at first. But mostly this is about private property ownership and control and exclusion of perfidious, invidious, and nefarious persons and their ideologies, including communists and Zionists and other types of people that hold ethical views that are at odds with a free society. Hargraves [ 00:19:46 ] I think that we're all subjected to the tyranny of the federal government. And we fantasize about this kind of government where we can self-govern. And what we're seeing presently from the government is that they'll find white communities like the one that we live in and they're like, okay, let's open a migrant center there and then let's send a thousand people from El Salvador. Or we're seeing it in Minnesota, Somalians. How can we resist? that in our current situation? Rectenwald [ 00:20:20 ] Yeah, we would have to have communities where all the property is private, inclusive of the streets. Everything would be privatized and you simply don't let people in. You don't let them onto the property at all. And you make it exclusive. Exclusivity is the key. You have to exclude people. And if they won't go, then you have to expel them. Physical removal, I believe. Physical removal. Reilly [ 00:20:51 ] That is the Hans Hermann Hopp tagline, right? Hargraves [ 00:20:55 ] Indeed, indeed. I like the sound of that. So was the ADL successful in banning your book from Amazon? And did you really have to change the title? Rectenwald [ 00:21:06 ] Yeah, I mean, I went up to put the title in. I self-published. This is a self-published book. Well, it comes under Apogee. books, but Apogee Books is my own company. So I published it through Amazon and they wouldn't go to the next layer. Like I put in the title and they wouldn't move forward. They said, no, this is not acceptable. It violates our standards or something like that. I wanted to name the book, The Jewish Question, but they would not have that. So I settled for The Cabal Question, which in a sense is somewhat more accurate because It's about a Jewish, you know, the powers that be in the book is a kind of what the book, what the lead character, the protagonist calls the Jewish mafia. And they are, it's the Jewish mafia that he identifies as the ruling class in society. And this ruling class will not permit in particular in some places. The book starts off in the Netherlands where it's illegal to question these things. And so he's under surveillance there and ends up meeting in the course of this, he ends up meeting these two women. One of them becomes his wife, but she's a far-right member of a group called Goosenbond, which actually exists. And then there's another one. And so it turns out that all the people that he keeps running into are radical right-wingers, as they say. SPEAKER_3 [ 00:22:54 ] This is fiction? This is a book of fiction, you say? Rectenwald [ 00:22:58 ] Everything, everyone he meets puts him in further danger. And the people that are trying to help him get out of the country are also part of like a network, which. Which the network just being affiliated with it is legally and reputationally damaging. But this is the only people that will help him or that really could help him. So that's kind of the premise of the book. And it's a psychological thriller in the sense that the guy's tortured. He's tortured by paranoia and doubt. Questions. I mean, he's an historian, so he's very concerned about, you know, having, you know, having sufficient evidence and backing for the claims that are being made by others and that eventually he starts to make. So he becomes J. Pilden, of course, is the mom. Hargraves [ 00:24:04 ] Yeah, art imitates life, right? In several of your books, I don't want to say that you're Kaczynski-esque, but you discuss technological innovation as a means of control. Because I've been listening to some of your older interviews. So, how would you balance things, new things, new technological innovations like AI, which we use for the show all the time, with safeguarding the individual freedoms that you talked about earlier? Rectenwald [ 00:24:35 ] Well, they have to be in the hands of what we need is competition. And we can't have AI controlled by monopolists who have particular agendas in mind. And that's what we're in danger of right now: having AI in the hands of the state. Uh, you know indirectly by virtue of giving uh, you know, by virtue of giving benefits to them through state uh, you know, grants and uh, preferences and uh, regulations. Regulations will play right into the hands of the monopolists as they always do, so we have to compete with with their AI drive it out of business by virtue of showing that the AI that we develop will be more truthful and that doesn't have an agenda. I mean, Grok is an interesting example where I can reason with Grok somewhat and tell it things that it needs to know. And then it goes, yeah, that's a good point. uh given that point you know what it was such and such and such so interestingly i've had grok all through the writing of the novel i didn't have grok write anything but i had it in i had grok read every chapter of my novel as i wrote them and says so i could get a handle on what the hive mind might think about what i was doing that was quite interesting It all often told me that this is hedging very close to very, very dangerous territory and things like that, which made me realize that I was doing what I wanted, you know, that it was working. Hargraves [ 00:26:38 ] Right. They've recently updated their algorithm on Grok, though, because sometimes I'll put in a question that I want to ask a guest and then it'll come out like a little too conciliatory or something like that. And so I'll be like. can you make this question more with like a focus on racial consciousness? And it used to do it. And then recently I tried to do that, and it was like, 'I cannot because it's not part of my algorithm to do something like this because it's not safe for minorities,' blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. To its credit, though, I did put in like, 'Now make it more racially critical of whites or something like that and it also said the same thing: 'I can't do that.' Oh, interesting; yeah, but that's a new development. Reilly [ 00:27:21 ] I've been playing with Andrew Torba's AI, oh yeah, I think was it called Gab AI. com or gab. I don't remember what it is, but it's interesting, right, because, like, I was in an argument with some stupid Zionist, and they were like, the Romans killed Jesus, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, I'm a Catholic, so I'm not exactly, like, a Bible thumper, you know? Like, I don't have every verse of the Bible memorized the way that some of these Protestants do. So I was just like, all right, ChatGPT. Give me every verse in the Gospel of St. John that's anti-Semitic. And it just sat there and kept surfing forever. And I was just like, okay, you're not going to be helpful to me. And then I went over to Gab AI and it was just like, list every anti-Semitic passage of the gospel of John. And it just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it just listed it all right there. And then I was able to just, you know, copy paste. You're an idiot. If you think that, you know, Christianity is anti-Semitic, then go ahead and try to ban the Bible and see where it gets you. Hargraves [ 00:28:18 ] Grok can be reasoned with though. That is true. Rectenwald [ 00:28:21 ] Yeah, it's a little better. And it's pretty good at analysis. I did ask it to write stuff, but it can't do it. It can't write fiction. It's terrible. That's reassuring, though. It's retarded. It's cliche. It's pathetically like, oh, God, what are you talking about? And it tries to be politically correct, but you have to push it off of that. Hargraves [ 00:28:50 ] I saw this tweet that you wrote that I thought was very important. And it says, one of the most important traits one must possess is immunity from sophistry. Now, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but this seems like obviously we need to steal ourselves in a meaningful way from the incredible rhetorical capabilities of Jews. Like their verbal IQ is. you know, 109 countries and they've managed, they've really managed to like keep that verbal IQ. I don't want to say that that's what you were saying since you're under academic review right now, but how can we do this? What do you think is the best way for the average individual to do this? Rectenwald [ 00:29:39 ] Yeah, that's a good question. Hargraves [ 00:29:41 ] Thank you. Rectenwald [ 00:29:42 ] I would say, you know, What is sophistry? Sophistry is a use of language that takes, that melds together different concepts and slurs. I would call it like intellectual slurring, okay, is what they engage in, you know. And what I mean by that is like, they They tend to mix concepts. For example, I saw a tweet that said, I think it was Ted Cruz that put it out. He said something like, the Democrats are, they are pro Hamas terrorism. And something else like. And so what they do is they invert reality because, and they throw in concepts and ideas that don't work. They try to blur over concepts and areas of thought. So I think that, like, for example, you have to be on your guard to see where they're actually trying to. Men meld things together that don't belong together, uh, and, uh, you know, first of all, the problem there's so many times, so many problems with what some of these people say. Uh, these Zionists, the things that they say that are so obviously problematic, they're oftentimes 10 or 15 things in a single statement that are problematic in the sense that they're wrong. For example, it's not just Democrats who are against the uh genocide in Gaza and they're not pro-Hamas per se although some people are and you know I can understand that even uh and they're not uh uh they're not in there and they're not pro-terrorism and because they're against the Israeli terrorism. I mean, they're against this state terrorism, state-controlled terrorism. The state is the biggest enemy. And these people like to have, you know, they need control of the state to maintain their power. And they're very good at getting control of the state. And this is what democracy was invented for. It was invented because you can subvert it. Totally, you can that's why democracy was invented, I think it's a Jewish construction, frankly. And I think it's a way for them to get to infiltrate, penetrate the state, and get control of its levers of power. And then, coupled with control of the media, they are able to then control the population and its thinking, and steer people into the directions they want while creating a false dichotomy between different contingents like the Republicans and Democrats, both of which are in effect controlled by them. It sounds like the Protocols for the Elders of Zion now. Right? Hargraves [ 00:33:20 ] So, what you're saying is the only solution is the rise of fascism? Rectenwald [ 00:33:28 ] It's a trap. Hargraves [ 00:33:29 ] It's a trap. Rectenwald [ 00:33:31 ] Here's one of the things that I noted, and I did a lot of research for this book about propaganda, is propaganda doesn't work on small groups. It only works on masses. So if you can get into these covenant communities, they're very resistant to propaganda by virtue of the fact that they don't, the contagion doesn't spread so easily when you have uh, prop, you know, when you have private property strongholds and uh, and uh, that are cut off from the central power base of the central government; they're much less likely to be indoctrinated in by propaganda and they're less likely to be controlled. So, this is what Elu Elu noted: That propaganda doesn't work except on large scale. So I think that's our only solution is Covenant Communities. Reilly [ 00:34:34 ] Interesting. You know, it is interesting that you say that about propaganda only working on large, large communities, because there has been. A situation developing here in our county of a psychological operations guy that has been going around and trying to smear us, smear some of our friends, trying to get them kicked off of the local Republican committee or whatever. And it's funny because it isn't working. No. It is just not working. And it's funny because. I think he has actually found himself in his own little echo chamber, basically talking to himself and like five other people that are all him. Yeah, and it's just like everyone's looking at this like, 'Are you kidding me?' Hargraves [ 00:35:20 ] And in the meantime, he's investing incredible time resources. Reilly [ 00:35:24 ] Oh my God, I can only imagine. He's just like wakes up in the morning, tweets, trying to like change people's minds and like, oh my God. And nobody's worried about it. Hargraves [ 00:35:33 ] Yeah, I think that's definitely true. Rectenwald [ 00:35:36 ] There's an irony in my case. I ran for the nomination for president for the Libertarian Party, and I came in second. I'd won the first five rounds, and then there was a backroom deal made that manifested itself in the sixth round. And this guy who had told me that if he got knocked out, he would definitely support me, told me this three times. And one time, he told me five seconds before he announced for the other guy. But what I was going to get at is that I actually you know these libertarians now are coming after me by because I say things like 'the Jewish elite' or 'the Jewish mafia' and they, and uh, don't you know stick to the politically correct language of criticism which is Zionist and so forth, you know. They keep attacking me, and uh it's curious that libertarians And end up being some of the most, shall we say, NPC-like critics and policing of speech. They're very, very much about political correctness when it comes down to it, which to me is anathema to libertarian thought. I should be able to say and think whatever I want. Now, you know, you have a right to disagree with it, but they try to shut me down. They've tried to shut me down. It's curious, yeah. Reilly [ 00:37:06 ] It's so interesting coming from the party of vermin supreme, right? Like, we need to have some sort of guidelines. We need to, like, that's too far. And you've got a guy going around that hasn't showered in three years with a boot on his head. Like, really? Really? Hargraves [ 00:37:21 ] Well, there is this element of kookery to libertarians. And from our generation, all the libertarians that I knew, like, in college, 100% of their libertarianism was based on the legalization of marijuana. It wasn't free speech. They weren't really rooted in principle. They just wanted to not get arrested for this thing they did all day, every day. Rectenwald [ 00:37:44 ] That's what happened in the nomination. It turns out the guy who won, Chase Oliver, basically he was a kind of a He was harboring, without really expressing it, all through the campaign, this LGBTQIA++ agenda. And as it turned out, he was a, that's what his whole campaign turned out to be when he finally, when he won the nomination. He turned it into nothing but an activism for LGBTQIA+. What am I thinking? The Trojan, he was a Trojan horse for LGBTQIA+. Plus, yeah, that's what he was. Hargraves [ 00:38:29 ] And then now when everybody thinks of libertarianism, they think of a, what is Aleppo? Do you remember that? Reilly [ 00:38:35 ] Oh my God, was it Gary Johnson? Hargraves [ 00:38:36 ] Was it Gary Johnson? Yeah. Reilly [ 00:38:37 ] What is Aleppo? Hargraves [ 00:38:39 ] And he looked all stoned and stuff. And we're like, you know, there's some legitimate libertarian principles and philosophies. And then I think that the party has just been taken over by all of these people that feel disaffected. And so they don't really have this core principle, which really should just be freedom of speech. Like everybody should be on board with this. And then it seems like they're not. You've spoken about the intersection of Christianity and libertarianism. So how do you reconcile? The non-aggression principle, which should be central to libertarianism with moral frameworks that demand serious intervention. Like we talked a little bit about forcible removal. Right. Reilly [ 00:39:24 ] Or like the death penalty justice. Justice. Hargraves [ 00:39:27 ] There are things like abortion, things like that. Rectenwald [ 00:39:29 ] It all comes down to property. OK. The real libertarian. Philosophy is a private property philosophy period, and that is so that, that pertains to the fact it all starts with the property in oneself, the first property that one has is property in oneself. This is really why people have should have or do have free speech, freedom of movement, freedom of association, all of that stems from property. So private property is the basis and uh. And then aggression is, you know, the non-aggression principle applies to the idea that you should not be able to violate anyone else's property, including their property and their person. So that's the foundation. And then this also is the basis for like private property enclaves that resist any kind of incursions against property rights. And this was the way. And so self-defense is certainly part of the NAP. You certainly are allowed to defend yourself when you're attacked. That is perfectly in line with libertarian philosophy. Now, in my book, there's a character or two characters. They're Mennonites. And they don't believe they, you know, they observe the NAP, but they go further and say that even self-defense is violence; abstain from it. And you really can't argue against that principally because it is within your perfect right not to defend yourself. That is still, you have the property in yourself, so whether you use it in self-defense is really, that's an ethical point that really can't be adjudicated through the NAP. Hargraves [ 00:41:28 ] I think the left has taken this concept of bodily autonomy and that you are your own property. Like you said, the first principle is that you have property over yourself. They've taken this to such an extreme level that they have caused a hyper-individualist crisis that has eroded the tapestry and the moral framework of this country and the West. So how do you reconcile that with your philosophy? Rectenwald [ 00:41:59 ] Well, let's take a couple issues. It's interesting to me that they are all for a bodily autonomy whenever there's two persons involved, and that is in the case of abortion, which I think is a violation of the NAP because that's another person there. So that's how I adjudicate that question. But the idea of – I don't believe that real libertarianism is hyper-individualism. And it isn't about, I mean, Hans Hermann Hoppe has a name for these people. Basically, he suggests they're just permanent adolescents who are using the philosophy to justify their hero ideas, their childish beliefs, whereas real libertarianism is not about. In a covenant community, you wouldn't be allowed because there's a private property agreement between all the parties to be anti-property or to be anti-NAP or to be a Zionist or a communist because these would violate the private property agreements in that private. property enclave so that's how i deal with it is that look uh property is the basis and when you have private pro when you look at it in terms of private property then you can't you know you can't allow all kinds of individual aberrations which threaten the private property of other people so communists and uh weirdo hippie types right right Things like that. But couldn't it be argued somewhere else have their own community? Hargraves [ 00:43:59 ] Couldn't it be argued that any act of self-harm is an act of aggression on a cohesive moral society? Rectenwald [ 00:44:09 ] That's a very, very good question. I would say the fundamental libertarian position on that would be that self-harm is using one's own property in the way that one wants to do so. And that it would be a breach of the private property rights of that person to restrain them from doing so. Now, there's all kinds of arguments that could go into that. So you could say that, for example, self-harm is not simply harming oneself, that other people will be harmed in the process. And I haven't really ventured into that particular realm, but it's an interesting quandary for sure. Reilly [ 00:45:01 ] Something that comes to mind immediately is obviously like fentanyl use or like heroin, hard drugs, things like that, because you've got someone in your community that's using fentanyl. Well, then there's more of it. There's going to be somebody dealing it and then other people should get access to it. that aren't currently using it, get addicted, yada, yada. So I guess this is going to this idea of can you restrict society? Hargraves [ 00:45:27 ] Well, right, and even the severe body modification and gender dysphoria, it does something psychologically to people in that community that see other people like this, especially if there are a lot of them. It makes them feel like our society is not safe. Reilly [ 00:45:43 ] stable yeah and that does cause harm to them that's interesting actually you you mentioning that uh I just had a thought and I guess it's interesting that I haven't heard this from any libertarians is I i guess circumcision would violate the nap yes of course absolutely violates the nap the circumcision is a brutal act of aggression against a helpless individual. Hargraves [ 00:46:10 ] Yes, it is. Rectenwald [ 00:46:11 ] And it is absolutely anathema to the NAP. Hargraves [ 00:46:15 ] I love to hear that. I love to hear that. Reilly [ 00:46:18 ] I had another question for you. Talking about this idea of covenant communities and private property rights, what would have to change in, because I'm assuming that this is not currently legal or else we would be doing this. Is there some law, I'm assuming like the Fair Housing Act or something that is preventing people from doing this? Or are we all just asleep at the wheel, you know, and we should be like getting to work right now? Rectenwald [ 00:46:51 ] I don't think there is any law that prevents this from taking place. Groups could purchase a big giant plot of land. buy parcel it off according to ownership uh you know basically private buyers buying it off and then excluding anybody from it i mean there's once it's all private they can exclude anybody they wish and uh you know you could exclude weirdos of all kinds transgender uh uh hippies uh drug users you could exclude anything you'd like to exclude very good Yeah, very good. Yeah, it's the only way I think to wrest power away from the central government, which is run by Jews who want to corrupt our society. They want to destroy it through immigration. They want to destroy it through transgenderism. And they also, I think, are eugenicists and they want to get rid of a certain amount of the people in the population base. So I think this is the answer to resisting all of that. And they have no recourse because private property is inviolable. So, yeah. Hargraves [ 00:48:08 ] Do you think that enforcing constitutional values might be an affront to the non-aggression principle since we are not consenting individuals? I mean, I didn't consent to the creation and adoption of the Constitution. Exactly. Rectenwald [ 00:48:27 ] Well, Sandra Spooner is great on all this. He deals with this question of the Constitution that nobody signed, except for the official signers of the Constitution. Then all of a sudden, we're all party to this. And I didn't need the Ten Amendments to have my rights, by the way. I didn’t need the first ten amendments of the Constitution to have the right of free speech or the right of religious expression. That all comes with the prime, you know, with a natural law or if you're uh, you want to look at it in terms of uh, divine law. This is already this is already a given I don’t need this faith to give me my rights and I think it’s utterly uh For them to arrogate that to themselves is unbelievable, really. This is a given that shouldn’t have to be stated, and we don’t need to state to make this true. It’s true in say. It’s true in itself. Reilly [ 00:49:34 ] Now, I’m kind of curious here. I don’t think we’ve already asked this question. Forgive me. I'm producing and reading Super Chazz as we're going, and so it might have fallen into one of my Swiss cheese brain holes. Have we have we discussed how you became aware of the JQ um what was it exactly and what year was it that you kind of stumbled onto this? Everyone's got a moment everyone has their moment like you know for me it was I think it was like 2012-ish when I kind of was like, 'Holy shit, what the?' And you start to notice things. What about you? How did this happen? How did this bring you to where you are? Rectenwald [ 00:50:17 ] Interestingly and paradoxically or ironically, I should say, I was J-pilled by a Jew. And this Jewish guy just kept telling me, 'Look.' This is the master key. When you have this master key, it opens, it explains everything. And so I am not, I'm a kind of person just like the character in my book who is unwilling to dispense with a theory just because it's anathema or it's, you know, that it's verboten or that it is not acceptable or that even entertaining it will make you, will come at an expense. I am not the kind of person to dismiss a theory because of those factors. I want to know what's true. So I was willing to entertain this and it started to make sense. And then I started to notice, you know, as you said, as I started to notice. And once you start noticing, it's impossible to shut off; it can't be stopped. And I guess that's what happened: over a long period of time, I'd say three to four years of uh discourse with this person, and it wasn't all one-sided, I mean uh and then I think in some regards I've gone further in some of the rabbit holes than even he has; he said, 'I didn't know that'; 'I didn't know that'; 'I didn't know that for example, in my book, I talk about Cromwell. There's a chapter in the book called The City of London. When the characters land in London, they get introduced to this. The main character gets introduced to the whole founding of the City of London, the Cromwell Revolution, the English Civil War, and who was behind it. And it was these Jews. They were actually Dutch financiers. Who financed the overthrow and the assassination of Charles I. And then what came on the heels of that, of course, was the re-entry of Jews into England. They were expelled in 1290. And if you look at the, and this is interesting, if you look at the Magna Carta, the Magna Carta has two points of concern about Jewish money lending. It actually treats that question in the Magna Carta. Maybe that's why the Magna Carta has not gotten the attention it probably deserves is because there's two clauses in the Magna Carta that deal with the question of Jewish money lending and how damaging it is. So, yeah. So those are just some things that I got into in researching for the book. That he didn't know about. And he was like, oh my God, there's more to it than even I know. He knows quite a bit, I should say. He is extremely well-versed, very highly intelligent, and very well-versed, but also a philosophically sound person. We agree on, you know, he's a private property libertarian like myself, a Hoppian as well. And so, you know, and I became convinced that the ethical system that is promulgated and under which these people operate is anathema to liberty, to freedom, individual freedom. Hargraves [ 00:54:15 ] Am I going to have to make another Jewish exception for this guy? We've got to bring him on the show. Reilly [ 00:54:20 ] I'm telling you, he wants to come on the show. It's Bobby Fisher. I'm not at liberty to say his name. Yeah, me neither. Rectenwald [ 00:54:26 ] Yeah. Yeah. He, he has. And in fact, in other cases I've said, don't bring me up. Reilly [ 00:54:35 ] Sorry, guy. No, that's funny, man. I had two more questions that one of them is out of my. Again, the Swiss cheese thing. I need more coffee. Maybe you need less coffee. Maybe I need less coffee. Yeah, you need less. Rectenwald [ 00:54:50 ] I got to tell you, what it does is it gives you this burst of energy. And then there's this, you know, there's this cascading down. Oh, yes. The same thing with this vape, which I've got to get off of. It gives you this energy and then you're exhausted later. Hargraves [ 00:55:05 ] Oh, I live in that post-coffee exhaustion. Reilly [ 00:55:08 ] We are a nicotine pound show. So we're doing this. I'm like over here, like popping, like I've gone through three already. I can't believe Alp hasn't sued us. That is what it is. We like Tucker. We like Tucker. We do. My question was, you know, Over the past couple days, and I think we're going to talk about this on our Wednesday show at 7 p. m. Eastern, 4 p. m. Pacific time. We're definitely going to talk about this. We are definitely talking about this. But you wrote a Substack article on your Substack rect talking about this new situation with Donald Trump, Palestine, Israel. And so, like, I tweeted on Thursday of last week because I met a general. And was talking to him. He's in the Mar-a-Lago crowd or whatever. He goes to the parties down in Florida. And we started talking and I started quizzing him a little bit about Mike Waltz. And he was like, oh, yeah, no, Waltz was definitely spying on Trump. They know this. Like he was working for Netanyahu. This is such a problem. He wasn't, you know, he should be hung. He seems like a pappy. He got promoted as a form of demotion to this job at the UN where he's essentially useless. And he told me, and the big thing that shocked me was that he said that the Trump administration is actively shutting out AIPAC, the Adelson's, and all of this. And I tweeted that on Thursday. And then immediately after I tweeted it out, Pete Hagseth cancels his trip to Israel. Mike Huckabee is out there like trying to do damage control. Reports that the Donald Trump secretarial staff is now ignoring calls from Miriam Adelson, Mark Levin, and several others. Hargraves [ 00:56:53 ] Oh, no, they're declining their calls. They're declining their calls. Can we get some of that foreign aid back? How about that? Reilly [ 00:56:58 ] Yeah, how about some trials for treason? Yeah, for real. What is your take on this recent development, this seeming falling out between Trump and Netanyahu? Rectenwald [ 00:57:11 ] Well, you know, as much as I'd like to believe that this was, a real uh uh falling out, a real uh decoupling of Trump and MAGA from Mega as much as I'd like to believe that I'm very very skeptical and I think look I think that anything that's going on within the Trump administration is being done in orchestration with uh the Jewish elite so It could be simply a sigh off such that it looks like Trump is pushing back, detaching from Netanyahu. I mean, I've listed all these things that happened. For example, and you mentioned some of them, the U. S. administration pressuring Israel to sign a truce deal before Trump's trip to the Middle East, the fact that Trump is not going to visit Israel, the fact that Pete Hegseth was going to meet with Israel and is not now going to accompany Trump, the fact that Haaretz reported that Trump insists that aid be allowed into Gaza. And then finally, the real clincher was that Trump was to announce that the U. S. recognizes a Palestinian state. I mean, this is just unbelievable. So it's so unbelievable that I don't believe it. Hargraves [ 00:58:55 ] I know, I know. We've been burned too many times, you know. I'm not doing this Trump 4D chess stuff. Rectenwald [ 00:59:03 ] Yeah, I'm sorry. Reilly [ 00:59:04 ] I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't have it on yet, but I have it on standby. Hargraves [ 00:59:08 ] You take that. I have it on standby. I will throw that into the fire if you go cute hard on me. We're saving Israel for last, Rebecca. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know why. I think that, you know, he is a populist. And so he has. He internalized this incredible wave of anti-Israel sentiment. And he's like, I guess I got to do some stuff. But none of it, he's not really doing anything. He's just like saying he's going to do something later, maybe. And this is what he always does to gain popularity. And then he's got no follow-through. So I'm on team. Nothing ever happens. Trump can't be trusted. And this Waltz thing, like maybe he was a spy or whatever, but they're all pro-Israel. They were all in the Signal chat. Why wasn't Tulsi Gabbard like, why are we in Signal? Reilly [ 01:00:01 ] Right. Hargraves [ 01:00:01 ] Anyone of them could have done something about this. Reilly [ 01:00:03 ] And there's also something that's interesting, and I don't have any answers yet, but I'm digging, I'm trying to figure this out. I've been trying to piece this together for a while now, and that is that there does seem to be several different factions, right? Like, we know about the neocon faction. We know that, like, Mark Levin, those types, right, they want war with Iran. Hargraves [ 01:00:24 ] What was his recent tweet? Oh, you actually called him out for saying 'prerogative' instead of 'pejorative.' What an ass clown that guy is. Rectenwald [ 01:00:33 ] Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, he deleted the tweet right after I said, 'I think you meant pejorative,' and within seconds it disappeared. Hargraves [ 01:00:41 ] He said neocon. Neocon is a prerogative for Jews. Oh, he said prerogative? He said prerogative, yeah. Rectenwald [ 01:00:49 ] Oh, my God, that's funny. Yeah, he said Neocon is a prerogative for Jew. Oh, jeez. Reilly [ 01:00:56 ] Well, that's true. That's true. I know. Hargraves [ 01:00:58 ] Maybe I'm being too critical because I said ingrained earlier when I meant entrenched, so I'm going to have to side with Levin on that. Reilly [ 01:01:05 ] Right? No, but so you've got the Mark Levin Neocon crowd, but then you've also got this interesting that's happening where Mark Levin is attacking Mike Waltz, like incessantly. Not Mike Waltz, I'm sorry. Steve Witkoff. He's constantly attacking Steve Witkoff. And now Witkoff, from what I understand, actually has some connections to the people who did 9/11. But Witkoff and Lutnik seem to be in lockstep with one another. And so you've got the Likud neocons, you've got the Chabad peaceniks, and so What's going on? Are there different factions that are fighting over this? Like the Chabad people are like, you've like soured the Jewish reputation. So shut it down. And, you know, we're going to do peace and recognize a palette. Like, you know, there's, it feels like there's something deeper that's going on and we don't really know what it is yet. And I feel like whatever, whoever cracks that puzzle, it's going to make it like obvious. Okay. Now I understand. What this fight is about. Because, you know, Jews just fighting Jews for the sake of it doesn't make much sense. Or the idea that Trump is, who's been a Zionist his entire life, all of a sudden is no longer a Zionist because of, like, Twitter. That doesn't make much sense either. Right. Hargraves [ 01:02:22 ] I mean, greatest ally his whole life. And then, of course, in his real estate career, just deeply involved with all of these Jews. His daughter is married to, like, he extraordinary. Rectenwald [ 01:02:32 ] He's paved his company many times. Yes. He's totally beholden to them. So I think the key to it is that they're trying to save the brand, the U. S. brand, and allowing some tarnishing of the Zionist brand in order to save face for the U.S. brand. And I think the window, I think, for a false flag is open still, but I think it's closing. but i do think a false flag could will but basically he will be able to say look i pushed back on them i said this i said that i didn't visit them i didn't do this i didn't do that i cut off communications with metanyahu etc etc then the false flag then we bomb iran i mean i think that's the best uh the most likely scenario is that they will drag us into it And Trump will go along because he's he's he's their man. I mean, he's a middle manager for this Jewish cabal. Hargraves [ 01:03:36 ] Yep, exactly. I think that's exactly right. We are at about an hour. Would you look through the super chats and see if any of them are questions for Dr. Rechtenwald? SPEAKER_3 [ 01:03:44 ] Yes. Hargraves [ 01:03:45 ] And if not, we're going to kick you out of here because you've been a terrible guest. Rectenwald [ 01:03:51 ] No, it's been great. That wouldn't be the first place I got kicked out. Hargraves [ 01:03:56 ] Actually, the administrators from NYU just texted me and they're like, 'We're going to pull our strings. We're going to ruin your career.' But if we have any questions for you from the audience. Reilly [ 01:04:06 ] Let me just take a quick look. I actually don't think we do. I don't think I've seen anything explicitly like, 'Can you ask him X, Y, Z?' All hostile, of course. Hargraves [ 01:04:16 ] That was such a fascinating discussion. Thank you so much for joining us. If you can tell the people once again where to find you, and we'll also have those links below. Rectenwald [ 01:04:24 ] Yeah, so MichaelRechtenwald. com is my permanent internet home. And in there, you'll see you can buy signed copies of The Cabal Question, which is a page turner. Everybody has said that it's a thriller. It does go into the JQ, but it has also got a significant plot, which makes it very entertaining. And I think it'll keep you on the edge of your seat. You can buy copies at MichaelRechtenwald. com. And then you can go to my Substack, which is mrechtenwald.substack. Com, where I keep up the most recent work. Uh, and, uh, I haven't really brought all of that new stuff into my, uh, main website because it's just, it doesn't, it's too much work. But, uh, yeah. Hargraves [ 01:05:18 ] So check him out, check out his excellent sub stack, his excellent Twitter. And thank you so much for joining us today. That was such a great discussion. Rectenwald [ 01:05:26 ] Thanks for having me. Great to talk to you both. Take care. Bye-bye. Reilly [ 01:05:31 ] All right. That was awesome. That was great. What a great interview. I'm so happy that my friend was like bullying me. You got to get Dr. Michael Rechtenwald. I'm like, okay. Hargraves [ 01:05:41 ] You really put on your Jewish voice for that. Reilly [ 01:05:43 ] Yeah. He doesn't actually sound like that. I'm sorry. Hey, let's talk Atlas Gold real quick. Yes. 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We'll be, like, sitting there. Baking in the sun. Hargraves [ 01:09:54 ] Do you think anybody wants to meet us? Reilly [ 01:09:56 ] Yeah, I think so. I don't know, man. Since you've been gone, things have been going on. Since you've been gone. Yeah, I was at a cigar lounge and I was just like hanging out and this older gentleman comes up and he's like, 'Are you Dave Riley?' And I'm like, 'Yes.' He's like, 'I listen to the Backlash. Yes.' And I'm like, 'You got to be kidding me. What? No one listens to the Backlash. No, but he does. And it's just so funny that like so many people have been reaching out recently. That's so cool. And somebody apparently in my mother's church was like, 'Is David Riley your son?' And it's like, 'Are you kidding me right now? Like my parents.' Hargraves [ 01:10:38 ] Are getting recognized, it's just so funny my friend, the other day was like, and you're a celebrity; I was like, I was like, listen, I am a micro niche, like quasi-recognizable figure, maybe, let's, let's scale that down here, all right, so the fact that anybody would want to meet me is somewhat, it's somewhat shocking. I think it'll be fun. Reilly [ 01:11:01 ] I mean, and plus, Ian Carroll is going to be there. Cool. Ryan Matta, the director of the documentary Trafficked, is going to be there. Hargraves [ 01:11:08 ] No one is going to come to our booth if Ian Carroll is going to be there. Reilly [ 01:11:11 ] There's rumors that Jake Shields might be coming up, too. And some other big e-celebs who I am not at liberty to name yet. But it will be fun, so we can coattail ride with them. Hargraves [ 01:11:22 ] Okay, yeah. Reilly [ 01:11:24 ] That'll be fun. Hargraves [ 01:11:24 ] I'm really interested in riding on the coattails of somebody else's celebrity. Yeah. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Because I want to promote the show. Yeah. That I really care about. Reilly [ 01:11:35 ] And it's so funny that like. These people, like these Matt Walsh people, they know. They know what's going on. Do they? They've got their people out there looking at us. Hargraves [ 01:11:45 ] Yeah, but like. Reilly [ 01:11:46 ] And they're like, okay, we have to deal with this issue now because if we don't, people will start going to these alternative shows like ours. Hargraves [ 01:11:54 ] But everybody is like creaming their pants over Matt Walsh being, you know, with this Shiloh Hendricks thing. Reilly [ 01:11:59 ] By the way, awful week to pick. Yeah. To go on vacation. I know. Like you missed. All of them. Hargraves [ 01:12:05 ] I know, I know, I know, I know. The Shiloh Hendricks thing, that was a high that I want to ride just forever. It was so great. But everybody's freaking out about Matt Walsh and everything like that. And I feel like anybody that kind of comes around to the JQ stuff at this late stage can go fuck themselves, okay? Because think about all the stuff that everybody sacrificed. My friends and I were sitting around. We were talking about, like, the racists of old. Like, you're James Alsips. Yeah. You're people from, like, back in the day. What about those people that walked so that Matt Walsh could be like, oh, Shiloh Hendricks, blah, blah, blah. And everybody's like, oh, my God. Right. People gave up everything. People lost everything. So that Beardy McGee over here can say, like, one thing that's not completely tepid and everybody loses their friggin' minds. It's so annoying. Reilly [ 01:12:57 ] It's an ego thing. You got to park your ego at the door. I can't. We've got to work together. We've got to work together to bring an end to this Jewish censorship, the Jewish problem. Hargraves [ 01:13:09 ] I don't know. We're having some problems on The Dissident, right? We're going to talk about this on Wednesday, too. It'll be a good show. Reilly [ 01:13:13 ] All right. Make sure you get your last minute super chats in at thebacklash . net slash super chat. If you want to try giving Bitcoin directly for a super chat, you can use our new option, crypto super chat, and you can choose. who this comment goes to and all that kind of stuff. It'll be fun. So anyway, let's take a look here. We've got our first Super Chat from Anonymous Giver. $14. An awesome show. I'd rather watch this than Fox News. Thank you all. God bless. Hargraves [ 01:13:43 ] Thank you. What is even on Fox News anymore? Greg Gutfeld, who is Jewish and 5 '3", by the way. He's 5 '3". Yeah. He's so short. Oh, yeah. He's a little guy. Tiny little Jew. Reilly [ 01:13:53 ] They have to give him a little platform when he goes and speaks at a podium. Yeah. BookTrackGroove sent $10 on Rumble. David, could you ask Rock to mix the Madgebug Confession and A New Nobility of Blood and Soil by R. Walter Dara and Augsburg Confession into a new book? Yeah, I did. I did that. Where is it? It's over here. It's big. It's long. I'm not reading it out. Maybe you can screenshot it or something. But wow, I'll have to read that. After the show, sometimes you can be like Grok, say it in a paragraph true oh by the way uh Rumble rants are now working so if you send us a Rumble rant it will pop up on screen and we will be reading it out so let me actually uh do that real quick let me go over to Rumble because Book Track Grooves sent ten dollars uh that was it we just read that one uh also please invite the Aristocratic Utensil to the show I've heard of this before yes okay we've been talking with him on Twitter yes okay We've been talking with him He also wanted me to pull up Psalm 41 or Psalm 43 but again this is so long I'm not reading all of that I'll read it after the show I mean it's great I love the Bible I love the Psalms Love the Book of Wisdom But we got to get to these super chats It's just too long. Oh, and of course, immediately after. He leaves. Dr. Rachtenwald, are you a Christian, and how do you encourage people to focus on their states? Okay, well, I'll send him a DM. We'll ask him. Hargraves [ 01:15:32 ] Sorry, guys, that must have gotten in after we were outroing him. Reilly [ 01:15:35 ] Yes. Anyway, okay, back over to Power Chat. Dissident Doze sent $5. Happy Mother's Day, Rebecca. Sending love and solidarity to all our fellow dissident mamas out there. May we raise our children to know goodness and truth in the world. God bless. Hargraves [ 01:15:52 ] Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Reilly [ 01:15:54 ] Yeah. Hargraves [ 01:15:55 ] Wait, is Gutfeld not Jewish? Reilly [ 01:15:58 ] Oh, are you going to have to eat your words? Hargraves [ 01:16:00 ] I don't know. Let me look into it. Reilly [ 01:16:02 ] It says he's Roman Catholic. Hargraves [ 01:16:04 ] Yeah. Reilly [ 01:16:04 ] Oh, boy. You're going to have to go to confession. Hargraves [ 01:16:07 ] Jew. Reilly [ 01:16:08 ] How dare you? Hargraves [ 01:16:11 ] She is Jewish. His wife? I don't know. Okay. I don't know, man. Reilly [ 01:16:15 ] Interesting. All right. Reinhardt sent $125. Thank you. Oh, whoa. Hey, Reinhardt. $125. Thank you for the big super chat. I have long thought that distributed representational government is a way to disperse accountability and divide the attention of the masses. A supreme monarch may have the ultimate power, but he also holds ultimate accountability if he fails in his duty. True. Hargraves [ 01:16:40 ] That is a fact. Reilly [ 01:16:42 ] Yeah. Hargraves [ 01:16:42 ] But it still seems like a superior situation to the one that we are in. Reilly [ 01:16:47 ] Yeah. At least with a monarch, you can kill him. Hargraves [ 01:16:48 ] Yeah. Reilly [ 01:16:49 ] You know? But what was the, there was a, I don't have the time to look it up, but at mass yesterday. Hargraves [ 01:16:57 ] Oh, my mom says Gutfeld is half Jewish. Thank you, mom. Reilly [ 01:16:59 ] Okay. Gutfeld is half Jewish. At mass yesterday, there was a, the gospel. It was the passage where he says, you know, honor the king, slaves obey your masters and stuff like that. And I was like, based. Protestants don't like this part of the Bible. Anyway, Bill Biz sent $25. Did you see the Babylon Bee is reporting that Letitia James hides from Trump DOJ by painting herself bronze and standing very, very still in Times Square. Hargraves [ 01:17:24 ] Have you seen, has everybody seen this statue? It's just like a fat black chick texting, right? SPEAKER_3 [ 01:17:31 ] Bronze statue. Hargraves [ 01:17:35 ] You can do it, buddy. There we go. SPEAKER_3 [ 01:17:37 ] I can't type. Hargraves [ 01:17:39 ] There it is. To be fair, this is highly representative of the population of New York. Okay. SPEAKER_3 [ 01:17:47 ] Well. Hargraves [ 01:17:49 ] Look at those fat boobs. Just why? Why? Like if you're not getting yelled at by a black woman, then there's just one lording over you in Times Square, a statue. Reilly [ 01:18:01 ] Can we not do this? Can we just not have statues of this? Like statues are supposed to inspire awe and beauty, not like mediocrity or fatness. Hargraves [ 01:18:13 ] I'm softening up on blacks. Something has happened on this trip. Every interaction I had with a black person was positive. Good. And then the one person that I had a negative experience with, you know, I got yelled at for breastfeeding. Covered up. Reilly [ 01:18:24 ] White woman, huh? White woman. Ah, yeah. Hargraves [ 01:18:27 ] Who was a teacher of many black students, like, ages 8 to 10. I'm like, how many shootings have these kids seen? They've probably all seen hardcore pornography. She's, like, covering their eyes and stuff. I'm like, that kid's done crack. Like, what are you doing? You stupid bitch. I was so pissed. And then like every black woman I'd see in Chicago would be like, 'That's a cute baby.' You got a fat baby girl. I'm like, right. Like I can get on board with some, with some black. It's the, it's the young men that are unpredictable. Reilly [ 01:18:59 ] True. The black young men are not good. The old, the women. Hargraves [ 01:19:03 ] Like an old black woman. I just, I just get along. I just get along with an old black woman. I don't know what to tell you. Reilly [ 01:19:10 ] Yeah. I don't, I don't hate black people. I feel. I feel bad mostly about how fucked over they've been by like the CIA. Yeah. Like the crack program and like, you know. SPEAKER_3 [ 01:19:21 ] I know. Reilly [ 01:19:21 ] Maybe, you know what we should have, what's his name on? Ayo Kamathi. Oh, yeah, yeah. A black nationalist leader. He wrote a book called 'Jews are the Problem.' Hargraves [ 01:19:30 ] Interesting. Reilly [ 01:19:30 ] So he might make an interesting guest one of these days. Hargraves [ 01:19:32 ] Did he have to rename it on Amazon? Reilly [ 01:19:34 ] No, I just don't think they let him on Amazon. Hargraves [ 01:19:36 ] Can you believe, the impervious cloak of blackness would be so awesome. In terms of talking about the Jews, you can just say whatever you want, although Nick Cannon did that do that apology tour yeah and then there was the basketball player and then Kanye West, right? Reilly [ 01:19:50 ] Right? Hargraves [ 01:19:50 ] Kanye West is insane. Reilly [ 01:19:52 ] I'm gonna... By the way, if anybody listening lives in the area and has a Cybertruck, I'd like to borrow it; I'm gonna try to get arrested by Coeur d'Alene police. I just want to like drive up and down Sherman Avenue blasting Yay's new song until they arrest me. Hargraves [ 01:20:05 ] I feel like, if you're going to do that, it has to be a Cybertruck. Reilly [ 01:20:09 ] It has to be a Cybertruck. You know you can rent a Cybertruck. I can't do it in my little Ford compact car; no, you can't. Hargraves [ 01:20:16 ] You would have to kill yourself. You would immediately have to commit seppuku. Reilly [ 01:20:19 ] I need the Elon Musk momentery to go in it. Dave Riley arrested in a Cybertruck. Yeah, we need good optics. Need good optics. Anonymous sent $5. Averol is building a private community in the Ozarks called Return to the Land. The land is held by an LLC and is subdivided and assigned to shareholders. The structure avoids violating the Fair Housing Act. Violating. Violating. You should have Averol on the show. Hargraves [ 01:20:45 ] Yes, I've actually been talking to him on Twitter. Oh, interesting. I forgot to mention it to you guys. We're having Averol on the show. Reilly [ 01:20:50 ] Oh, great. Wonderful. Wonderful. Anonymous sent $5. That's the same one. If you need a refund, let us know. Anonymous sent $20. Hold on. There we go. No super chat. Love it. Thank you for the great super chat. Love it. Love to see it. And then we had another anonymous donor sent $10. Averall is doing what Dr. Rechtenwald suggests, creating a whites-only community in the Ozarks. He would make a good guest. He's an interesting guy. Is he pagan? Probably. Yeah, I think I've seen some beef between him and Mr. Fuentes. I side with Nick, obviously, but we'll see what happens. Hargraves [ 01:21:35 ] I have some new beliefs about pagans that are going to be really unpopular. Reilly [ 01:21:39 ] Wonderful. Well, we'll get into that maybe on a future show. Or maybe not. Maybe we can just tease it. We could just tease it out for a while. Hargraves [ 01:21:46 ] I don't want to talk about it. My audience is going to be like, meh, meh, meh. Reilly [ 01:21:50 ] Blunderbuss sent $30. What is this about Blumpf getting uppity in regards to his master Netanyahu? What started this? Will he get the JFK treatment? Yeah, we're going to be talking about this Wednesday. That will be the primary topic of the show. It seems like all my sources are telling me that Netanyahu stepped in it and that Trump feels. His ego has been bruised by doing all of this stuff for the Adelsons, appointing all of the people that they wanted him to appoint. Hargraves [ 01:22:21 ] God, it's always about his ego. Reilly [ 01:22:22 ] And then finding out that these people were undermining his agenda and working directly with Netanyahu instead of implementing the Trump agenda. It's very obvious that you probably shouldn't be doing things like that. Not good for your career. Except that he got a promotion to the United Nations. So anyway, we'll talk about that more on Wednesday. S. S. sent $20. Abortion is performed by priests in the Old Testament. Numbers 21 through 22. The priest is to put the woman under the curse. Quote, may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. This water that brings a curse into your body so that the abdomen swells and womb miscarries. Weird, man. I've never read that passage before. I will have to look into it. But murdering your children is wrong. Don't do it. That violates the non-aggression principle. So don't do it. Hargraves [ 01:23:21 ] And this is a libertarian, and now it's a non-racist. Because I talked to three nice old black ladies. Reilly [ 01:23:29 ] So that's-We're going to be back on Wednesday as normal. No, actually, we're going to be back tomorrow with a special show. Vince had a conflict today. You have a conflict tomorrow. This and that, whatever. But tomorrow we're going to have Stephen Cox on the show. You just don't want to say Cox. Yeah, it just feels weird. Stephen Cox is going to be joining us. He is a-Hold on, the backlash. I want to-Blacklash. He is a journalist with LifeSite News, and he will be coming on to discuss the new Pope, Pope Leo XIV, and his book, Navigating the Crisis in the Church. We will be on with him tomorrow at 11:00 a. m. Pacific, 2:00 p. m. Eastern. It should be highly enlightening for the Catholic audience. So that'll be fun. And that's all the super chats that I have currently. Let me do one final refresh. Hargraves [ 01:24:31 ] That was so fun. That was such a fun interview. Reilly [ 01:24:34 ] Entropy looks good. Power chat looks good. Hargraves [ 01:24:38 ] Alright, awesome. Reilly [ 01:24:39 ] We are all caught up. Hargraves [ 01:24:40 ] This is The Backlash. Check us out tomorrow and our normal Wednesday stream at 7:00 p. m. Eastern. It'll be good. We'll be more racist then. Yeah. All the good feels I have about the black community will have worn off by then. Reilly [ 01:24:52 ] Yeah, just go to the liquor store down at 95 and Prairie. And then I'll remember. And do, like, a checkout. Hargraves [ 01:24:57 ] Like, oh, yeah. Reilly [ 01:24:58 ] The one person that works there that's, like, very obviously a Seattle transplant. Hargraves [ 01:25:02 ] Okay, okay. I'll find a way to get it back. Reilly [ 01:25:04 ] It'll annoy you. Hargraves [ 01:25:05 ] By Wednesday, okay? Reilly [ 01:25:06 ] Yeah. Hargraves [ 01:25:07 ] So check out Vince and Dave tomorrow with Mr. Cox. Reilly [ 01:25:11 ] Yes, Stephen Cox from LifeSite News. Hargraves [ 01:25:14 ] And this is The Backlash. I'm Rebecca Hargraves. This is Dave Riley. Check us out at Real Backlash on X, and we will see you tomorrow. Bye-bye.